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“Playbook” Chapters I Need To Add: Help Your Church Process Its Pain

February 25, 2026 By Brian Thorstad

Just a note: In 2025 we launched “The Revitalization Playbook.” The “Playbook” is similar to the ones used by football coaches on the sidelines.  The coach’s playbook contains all the plays that the coach is confident that his team can run. Conditions on the field determine which play he chooses next. In my “Playbook,” knowing […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Seriously Troubled Churches

Recovering From A Pastor Disaster

April 23, 2026 By Brian Thorstad

The parsonage was empty…again…  This time it was left a little dirtier and messier than it was a year ago.  It looked like somebody had departed in a hurry, and they had. The rookie pastor’s first year with the church turned out to be his last year with the church.  He loaded the moving truck […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Interim Pastoring, Pastoral Transitions, Seriously Troubled Churches

What Can We Do About Our “Bad Pastor”?

April 28, 2026 By Brian Thorstad

“How good and pleasant it is when brothers live together in unity.” Psalm 133:1 This is my sixth post in six weeks on the subject of “bad pastors.”  I’m putting the term in quotation marks because we’re dealing with a subject which is – admittedly – highly subjective. A “bad pastor” is a pastor which […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Seriously Troubled Churches

Why Did A Good God Send Me To Pastor A Bad Church?

May 5, 2026 By Brian Thorstad

I recently dedicated four posts to the question of “Why would a good God send us a bad pastor?” (Click here for the first of the four.) I followed it up with a post on how to recover from a “bad pastor” and what a church member should and should not do if his church […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Healthy Pastors, Pastoral Transitions, Seriously Troubled Churches

Why Did A Good God Send Me To Pastor A Bad Church? (Part Two)

May 13, 2026 By Brian Thorstad

Back in my childhood there was a TV show called “Queen for a Day” which I watched with my mother when I was home sick from school.  Each show was a contest between women – mostly housewives (we called them back then) – who had endured miserable lives, dealing with one catastrophe after another. After […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Healthy Pastors, Pastoral Transitions, Seriously Troubled Churches

Why Did A Good God Send Me To Pastor A Bad Church? (Part Three)

May 20, 2026 By Brian Thorstad

Back in the 1990’s, I attended the same big, wonderful pastor’s conference year after year. I often showed up at the conference in tough shape physically, for it was always held during the peak days of my “big-time” allergy season. I would cough all night – sleeping in a storeroom at times so as to […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Healthy Pastors, Pastoral Transitions, Seriously Troubled Churches

Why Did A Good God Send Me To Pastor A Bad Church? (Conclusion)

May 27, 2026 By Brian Thorstad

I would guess that most pastors have believed, at one time or another, that they have been sentenced to serve as the pastor of a “bad church.” The problem is inherent in the job itself: In the best-case scenario, serving as the solo or senior pastor of a church is a challenging role. In far […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Healthy Pastors, Pastoral Transitions, Seriously Troubled Churches

Why Did Our Good God Send Us A Bad Pastor? (Part One)

March 24, 2026 By Brian Thorstad

I confess that no one has ever put it quite that bluntly as my title, but I’ve heard a number of softer versions of it over the years. It usually sounds something like this: “We prayed and worked through our pastor search process but the guy we got was not what we were looking for […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Pastoral Transitions, Seriously Troubled Churches

Why Did Our Good God Send Us A Bad Pastor? (Part Two)

April 1, 2026 By Brian Thorstad

One week ago, we began wrestling with this painful question. While I’ve seldom had it put to me as bluntly as my title, I’ve heard little speeches like the following, several times: “We prayed and worked through our pastor search process but the guy we got was not what we were looking for or expecting […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Pastoral Transitions, Seriously Troubled Churches

Why Did Our Good God Send Us A Bad Pastor? (Part Three)

April 9, 2026 By Brian Thorstad

I’ve heard my share of horror stories about bad pastors. Very few of them are as unfortunate as one I was involved in personally. Near the end of an interim pastorate, when we were just getting our pastoral search team organized, our church was approached directly by a young man who seemed like God’s special […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Pastoral Transitions, Seriously Troubled Churches

Why Did Our Good God Send Us A Bad Pastor? (Part Four)

April 15, 2026 By Brian Thorstad

Here’s the last “bad pastor” horror story I’ll share for a while: Even before I completed the interim pastorate, Donna and I were beginning to have concerns about the new long-term pastor who had taken my place.  He had expressed anger with our church members for not hosting him as enthusiastically as he thought they […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Pastoral Transitions, Seriously Troubled Churches

Give Your Pastor The Gift Of Reasonable Expectations

November 5, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

Pastor Appreciation Month is already behind us, but the “holiday season” is coming on fast.  Many church members gave their pastors a gift in October, even if it was just their well-wishes.  Others are thinking about what they might give their pastor for Christmas. If that’s you, this post is for you.  If you’re a […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Church Structure, Healthy Pastors, Seriously Troubled Churches

“Our Pastor’s Gone; We Got Our Church Back!”

August 20, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

Television’s Art Linkletter used to say that “kids say the darndest things.”  He was right of course, but the same could be said of church members who are being interviewed by interim pastors, denominational leaders or consultants: “Church members say the darndest things!” The first time I heard this phrase I was gob smacked.  I […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Healthy Pastors, Interim Pastoring, Seriously Troubled Churches

Six Reasons Why We Struggle With The Coming And Going Of Pastors

July 18, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

The recent home-going of Dr. John MacArthur, senior pastor of Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California, has reminded us of a perennial challenge which I call the coming and going of pastors. After twenty centuries of struggling with the coming and going of our pastoral leaders, we’re still not very good at pastoral transitions. […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Pastoral Transitions, Seriously Troubled Churches

Ten Temptations Of The Departing Pastor

July 2, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

I wish this post was a short one: “Two Temptations Of The Departing Pastor,” or something like that. In truth, departing pastors have all sorts of temptations.  All sorts. I’m going to dive right into my subject, and you’ll see what I mean.  These are not exclusive to pastors who are leaving in disgrace or […]

Filed Under: Healthy Pastors, Pastoral Transitions, Seriously Troubled Churches

The Last Temptation Of “Pastor Last”

July 10, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

Years ago, LEADERSHIP Magazine published a cartoon which depicted a grumpy looking pastor asking a colleague, “Ever have one of those days when you just HAVE TO rebuke someone?” Many pastors experience “one of those days” just after they’ve announced their resignation.  They feel like they have to rebuke their church’s board, staff or maybe […]

Filed Under: Healthy Pastors, Pastoral Transitions, Seriously Troubled Churches

Three Of The Devil’s Plans For Your Church

January 17, 2024 By Brian Thorstad

“Anyone you forgive, I also forgive. And what I have forgiven—if there was anything to forgive—I have forgiven in the sight of Christ for your sake, in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes.”  II Corinthians 2:10-11 “Put on the full armor of God so that you can take […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Seriously Troubled Churches

Three More Of The Devil’s Plans For Your Church

January 24, 2024 By Brian Thorstad

“He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. 7He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap.”  I Timothy 3:6,7  “Anyone you forgive, I also forgive. And what I […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Seriously Troubled Churches

Even More Of The Devil’s Plans For Your Church

January 31, 2024 By Brian Thorstad

“He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap.”  I Timothy 3:6,7 “Anyone you forgive, I also forgive. And what I […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Seriously Troubled Churches

Seven Reasons To Not Publicly Criticize Your Pastor

February 6, 2024 By Brian Thorstad

Here’s something that never ceases to amaze me.  Church members sit in their favorite spot in the worship service on Sunday morning.  They pray, praise, sing, listen and, through the words of hymns, creeds, prayers and covenants, they commit themselves anew to following Jesus and loving the brethren. The service ends, there’s a ten-minute break, […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Church Structure, Seriously Troubled Churches

Please, Ask For Help, Early

October 4, 2023 By Brian Thorstad

“There’s no cure for stupidity.” I don’t know who said it first, but a lot of people have said it since.  There are even some takeoffs on the original observation: “There’s no vaccine for stupidity.” “Stupidity is terminal.” “You can’t fix stupid.” “Stupidity is the only universal, capital crime.” I think you get the idea.  […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Healthy Pastors, Seriously Troubled Churches

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Pastor Mike English "I found Brian's coaching to be very practical. I'd previously been through a similar cohort but it was mostly theoretical. I can honestly say that Brian's Revitalization Cohort taught me more than I ever dreamed it would and I'm excitedly putting these principles into practice in my life and church."
Pastor Mike English
Pastor Josh Brown I wanted to send you an update. We are two years removed from your [comprehensive assessment] visit to us. Half the church is 18-30 years old. We are reaching a wide array of hurting people. The Lord has been kind to us! We have more ministry than we know what to do with. Thanks again for all you did for us!  We have a really great church!
Pastor Josh Brown
Pastor Darin Kirkman
I am so grateful to God for Brian, his ministry, and his friendship. As a result of his assessment and coaching, my church has experienced unmistakable, God-given renewal. We are increasingly living out our church's mission which is to love and glorify God by making disciples of Jesus Christ. This is clearly showing in terms of spiritual depth (i.e. more people are maturing as Christian disciples) and spiritual width (i.e. more people are becoming Christian disciples). Our communication is clearer, our structure is stronger, our leadership development process is better, our facility stewardship is more proactive, and our cultural mindset is now set on eagerly advancing the kingdom of God. I strongly recommend the Church Whisperer to you.

Pastor Darin Kirkman
Elder Jim I wanted to let you know that we have really made some huge changes in the last few months.  We are seeing new people every week and we had a leadership meeting with 23 in attendance. Pastor ______ is doing well and God is doing amazing things.  Thanks for your support, prayers and love for the church!
Elder Jim
A New Church-Goer ...thank you for your messages at [our church] over the past weeks.  I just started going to _____________ while you were there and hadn't been to church in decades.  Your messages kept me coming back...  Thank you for helping me find my way back to God.
A New Church-Goer
Pastor Trey Turner "Brian is an experienced and insightful investigator of church systems.  He has real skill in looking at and diagnosing some areas needing attention.  I benefited greatly from his insight.  As a result, our church is benefiting greatly.  The process Brian took us through gave it the encouragement it needed to begin coming out of the 2020 difficulties.  We will work on the insights Brian provided as a roadmap back to better health."
Pastor Trey Turner
Pastor Greg Lund I've appreciated so much Brian's very practical coaching as he's guided me and the leadership of our church as we've sought to become more effective for God's kingdom. His extensive experience in assisting churches navigate a variety of issues makes him highly qualified to help lead churches through congregational change.
Pastor Greg Lund
Pastor Bruce Jahnke
"Our church is extremely grateful for the insight, adaptability and wisdom Brian so graciously contributed to our needs as we transitioned.  Our pastor transition was from Father to Son, which is by definition, difficult.  Yet Brian was able to foresee issues, feelings and responses with high accuracy.  Brian is personable, yet can direct when he needs to help us be reasonable and vision-oriented."

Pastor Bruce Jahnke
Andy Shanholtz I had the privilege of co leading a pastor’s training group with Brian. Brian’s wealth of knowledge and practical experience was an asset to all of us. The interaction with the group and the relationships built was a great value. I highly recommend having Brian facilitate a group to provide invaluable resources and practical knowledge.
Andy Shanholtz
Pastor Jed Manders
Leadership development within cohorts and peer groups has become increasingly popular, and rightfully so. Being involved in Brian’s leadership training group allowed me the opportunity to work through challenges, develop strengths and learn from both reading and peer development.


Pastor Jed Manders
Pastor Mark Pitroff "I have been so privileged and encouraged to be ministered to by Brian Thorstad as I have served as an Interim Pastor here in central Wisconsin.  He has been such a help and encouragement to me and especially, to this church I have served - Faith Community Church of Waupaca.  His leadership in helping us develop the “Journey Wall” enabled us to look back on the church’s history, the high points as well as the difficulties faced, especially in recent years.   Brian has helped FCC recover from a very difficult time…  Brian was such an encouragement to us, especially in the early months of recovery and preparation."
Pastor Mark Pitroff
Pastor Dan Norman “I enjoyed getting to know the guys in the group [and] I appreciated the thought, mind and spiritual challenges presented… I found many things that I was able to immediately apply, and I am still developing next steps that much of the discussion and training of this class helped to build a foundation for. [The handouts on strategic planning] will continue to be helpful in trying to guide our church to being more intentional. This [was] exactly what I was looking for at exactly the time I needed it.”
Pastor Dan Norman
Pastor Steven Boyd  "This course showed me that I, as a solo pastor, have to do things that don’t come naturally to me and has given me some tools to do the hard things.”
Pastor Steven Boyd 
Pastor Brian Schley “I found value in our meetings and am grateful you invited me to be part of it as a ‘future senior pastor.’ I enjoyed being able to be part of the conversations and glean from those beyond me. Thanks for your leadership with the group and your heart for pastors!”
Pastor Brian Schley
Pastor Todd Sauve "It was a privilege to have been a part of a pastors group led by Brian Thorstad. It's always great to learn from other pastors, and someone needs to provide leadership to make that happen. I'm thankful that Brian was willing to do that, and to share from both his successes and failures in ministry. He's honest, humble, and cares about people."
Pastor Todd Sauve

Brian A. Thorstad

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