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Twenty Ways (15 wasn’t enough) To Solve Our Pastor Shortage, Conclusion

April 17, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

Over the past three weeks I’ve shared fourteen ways in which we might move towards solving our pastor shortage in the evangelical world. While I’ve done some bemoaning of our situation, your responses have been encouraging.  I have not felt like a “voice crying in the wilderness.” I’ve found that many of you share my […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Pastoral Transitions

We All Need A Monitoring Pilot

April 23, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

I’ve mentioned before that my wife and I are fans of airline disaster podcasts, particularly, the Mentour Pilot, Petter Hornfeldt.  Petter’s great stories have frequently highlighted the importance of the monitoring pilot. Before they get into the cockpit, the commercial airliner’s captain and co-captain make a decision regarding which one of them, on this particular […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Healthy Pastors, Seriously Troubled Churches

Ending Pastor Abuse

May 6, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

Pastor abuse is a serious problem, but there’s nothing new about it. Old Testament prophets – spokespersons for God – and even Old Testament-era Jewish kings, who were shepherds (“pastors,” in Latin) of God’s people, endured harsh treatment at the hands of those who should have respected them. Mocked, thrown in pits, beaten, stoned and […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Healthy Pastors, Seriously Troubled Churches

Why Pastors Should Commit Themselves To “Extended Stays”

May 13, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

Pastoral terms are too short.  The average tenure of three to five years1 is not working well for anyone. There are, of course, no Bible verses that say that this is too short, for the pastorate as we know it today was not yet commonly practiced when the New Testament was completed. So I’m not […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Pastoral Transitions

Some BIG Advantages Of SMALL Churches

May 20, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

I have the privilege today of writing about a very good movement within the American Evangelical world.  With all our issues, there are also some healthy trends in Christianity in the US today, and here’s one of them: A whole new (and old) attitude toward small churches. By “small” I also mean “average,” as the […]

Filed Under: Book Reviews, Church Health/Revitalization, Church Structure

What An Outward Focus Actually Looks Like

May 28, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

Nowadays, just about everybody knows that churches should have an outward focus.  The average evangelical church member has heard the term enough times to know that, when cast as a “Sunday School question,” as in, “Does your church have an outward focus?” the orthodox answer is “yes.” I’m realizing that if I really want to […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Disciple Making, Seriously Troubled Churches

Help For Frustrated (or angry) Pastors

June 3, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

If you’re not a pastor, you may have been surprised by my title.  “What?  Pastors, frustrated or angry?  He must mean, ‘frustrated by their golf games, their cars, their lawns or even their kids’ but surely he can’t mean ‘frustrated by their churches or their ministries!’” But frustrated by their churches or ministries is exactly […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Healthy Pastors, Leadership

The HEART of Church Revitalization

June 12, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

A few months back I did a lot of studying and thinking about what church revitalization actually is. It’s not a “Bible” term of course, but it’s derived from an important Biblical concept: the teaching, quite simply and astonishingly, is that the one and only triune God Himself indwells His people, and in, what we […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization

Six Ways Your Vision Can Be Dangerous

June 18, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

Donna and I just watched a documentary film called Titan, about the ill-fated deep-sea submarine of that name in which five people lost their lives on June 18, 2023.  The key figure in the story was visionary entrepreneur Stoddard Rush. As with so many great dreamers before him, Rush was brilliant, charming, passionate, fiercely devoted […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Healthy Pastors, Leadership

The Seventh Danger: Vision Frustration

June 25, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

It’s an awful picture isn’t it? The ancient, venerable leader Moses, who had been through so much and was so special to God and so needed by mankind, loses his temper and strikes the rock, a picture of Jesus Christ, with his precious shepherd’s rod, a symbol of both his God-given authority and his God-given […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Healthy Pastors, Leadership

Six Reasons Why We Struggle With The Coming And Going Of Pastors

July 18, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

The recent home-going of Dr. John MacArthur, senior pastor of Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California, has reminded us of a perennial challenge which I call the coming and going of pastors. After twenty centuries of struggling with the coming and going of our pastoral leaders, we’re still not very good at pastoral transitions. […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Pastoral Transitions

How We Can Do Better With The Coming And Going Of Pastors

July 24, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

I mentioned last week (Six Reasons Why We Struggle With The Coming And Going Of Pastors) that: After twenty centuries of struggling with the coming and going of our pastoral leaders, we’re still not very good at pastoral transitions. The grieving which pastors and church members experience when a beloved pastor moves on is only […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Pastoral Transitions

Some Churches Don’t Deserve To Have Pastors

August 6, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

According to Ephesians 4:7-16, the gifted church leaders whom we typically call “pastors” are gifts of the risen, glorified Jesus Christ to his churches.  According to Ephesians 2:10, each of them is a custom-designed “masterpiece” and Acts 20:28 adds that each one has been appointed an overseer by the Holy Spirit himself. The great pastoral […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Seriously Troubled Churches

Pastors Who Don’t Deserve Churches

August 12, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

Last week I wrote about churches that don’t deserve to have pastors. I’m disheartened that such churches exist, and your responses lead me to think that there are more of these congregations out there than I realized. Sadly, there’s also such a thing as the veteran pastor – or the would-be pastor – who doesn’t […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Healthy Pastors, Seriously Troubled Churches

“Our pastor’s gone; we got our church back!”

August 20, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

Television’s Art Linkletter used to say that “kids say the darndest things.”  He was right of course, but the same could be said of church members who are being interviewed by interim pastors, denominational leaders or consultants: “Church members say the darndest things!” The first time I heard this phrase I was gob smacked.  I […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Healthy Pastors, Interim Pastoring

Before You Say “I Do” – 24 Questions The Prospective Pastor Needs To Have Answered

August 27, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

The original “Before You Say I Do” was a premarital counseling program that I used a number of times. It was very helpful. Today’s Before You Say “I Do” post is a little different.  I’m writing about some of the questions that a prospective pastor needs to ask and get answers to before accepting a […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Pastoral Transitions

Spiritual Leadership: What It Looks Like In A Church

September 3, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

Spiritual leadership is one of those nice, amorphous, high sounding Christian terms.  It’s rather like the weather: “everybody’s talking about it, but nobody’s doing anything about it.” I don’t think the term is in the Bible, so is there such a thing at all?  And, if so, does it matter? Personally, I think that it […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Leadership

The Nitty-Gritty Of Spiritual Leadership In A Church

September 9, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

Last week I wrote about spiritual leadership in the context of the local church. I conceded that the term isn’t in the Bible, but I insisted that the reality is, and I described it by way of Scriptural citations.  Let’s try this for a definition: Spiritual leadership is influencing others to join you in obeying […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization

Are All Sins Created Equal?

September 25, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

Some of you may be wondering why a guy who writes about church health issues would even be addressing this question. But it really is relevant to church health, which I’ll demonstrate just below and again, at the end of this post. Here’s how this question – which folks have put to me a number […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Theology

America’s Favorite Bible Verse: “Judge Not”

October 1, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

Last week I wrote a post about the mistaken idea that “all sins are created equal.” The phrase is all-too-often used by folks who defend their serious, destructive, sinful behaviors by putting them at the level of other people’s minor infractions. At the end of the post I said that “church leaders must deal with […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Theology

Programs, Paradigms And Presuppositions: Why We’re Struggling With Disciple-Making

October 7, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

Trends come and go.  Some are good and some are…not so good. The disciple-making trend, which can legitimately be called a movement is one of the most encouraging trends I’ve seen for a long time. At its heart, the “new” disciple-making movement (or DM) is a shift back towards an understanding of the Christian life, […]

Filed Under: Church Health/Revitalization, Church Structure, Disciple Making

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Pastor Josh Brown I wanted to send you an update. We are two years removed from your [comprehensive assessment] visit to us. Half the church is 18-30 years old. We are reaching a wide array of hurting people. The Lord has been kind to us! We have more ministry than we know what to do with. Thanks again for all you did for us!  We have a really great church!
Pastor Josh Brown
Pastor Darin Kirkman
I am so grateful to God for Brian, his ministry, and his friendship. As a result of his assessment and coaching, my church has experienced unmistakable, God-given renewal. We are increasingly living out our church's mission which is to love and glorify God by making disciples of Jesus Christ. This is clearly showing in terms of spiritual depth (i.e. more people are maturing as Christian disciples) and spiritual width (i.e. more people are becoming Christian disciples). Our communication is clearer, our structure is stronger, our leadership development process is better, our facility stewardship is more proactive, and our cultural mindset is now set on eagerly advancing the kingdom of God. I strongly recommend the Church Whisperer to you.

Pastor Darin Kirkman
Elder Jim I wanted to let you know that we have really made some huge changes in the last few months.  We are seeing new people every week and we had a leadership meeting with 23 in attendance. Pastor ______ is doing well and God is doing amazing things.  Thanks for your support, prayers and love for the church!
Elder Jim
A New Church-Goer ...thank you for your messages at [our church] over the past weeks.  I just started going to _____________ while you were there and hadn't been to church in decades.  Your messages kept me coming back...  Thank you for helping me find my way back to God.
A New Church-Goer
Pastor Trey Turner "Brian is an experienced and insightful investigator of church systems.  He has real skill in looking at and diagnosing some areas needing attention.  I benefited greatly from his insight.  As a result, our church is benefiting greatly.  The process Brian took us through gave it the encouragement it needed to begin coming out of the 2020 difficulties.  We will work on the insights Brian provided as a roadmap back to better health."
Pastor Trey Turner
Pastor Greg Lund I've appreciated so much Brian's very practical coaching as he's guided me and the leadership of our church as we've sought to become more effective for God's kingdom. His extensive experience in assisting churches navigate a variety of issues makes him highly qualified to help lead churches through congregational change.
Pastor Greg Lund
Pastor Bruce Jahnke
"Our church is extremely grateful for the insight, adaptability and wisdom Brian so graciously contributed to our needs as we transitioned.  Our pastor transition was from Father to Son, which is by definition, difficult.  Yet Brian was able to foresee issues, feelings and responses with high accuracy.  Brian is personable, yet can direct when he needs to help us be reasonable and vision-oriented."

Pastor Bruce Jahnke
Andy Shanholtz I had the privilege of co leading a pastor’s training group with Brian. Brian’s wealth of knowledge and practical experience was an asset to all of us. The interaction with the group and the relationships built was a great value. I highly recommend having Brian facilitate a group to provide invaluable resources and practical knowledge.
Andy Shanholtz
Pastor Jed Manders
Leadership development within cohorts and peer groups has become increasingly popular, and rightfully so. Being involved in Brian’s leadership training group allowed me the opportunity to work through challenges, develop strengths and learn from both reading and peer development.


Pastor Jed Manders
Pastor Mark Pitroff "I have been so privileged and encouraged to be ministered to by Brian Thorstad as I have served as an Interim Pastor here in central Wisconsin.  He has been such a help and encouragement to me and especially, to this church I have served - Faith Community Church of Waupaca.  His leadership in helping us develop the “Journey Wall” enabled us to look back on the church’s history, the high points as well as the difficulties faced, especially in recent years.   Brian has helped FCC recover from a very difficult time…  Brian was such an encouragement to us, especially in the early months of recovery and preparation."
Pastor Mark Pitroff
Pastor Dan Norman “I enjoyed getting to know the guys in the group [and] I appreciated the thought, mind and spiritual challenges presented… I found many things that I was able to immediately apply, and I am still developing next steps that much of the discussion and training of this class helped to build a foundation for. [The handouts on strategic planning] will continue to be helpful in trying to guide our church to being more intentional. This [was] exactly what I was looking for at exactly the time I needed it.”
Pastor Dan Norman
Pastor Steven Boyd  "This course showed me that I, as a solo pastor, have to do things that don’t come naturally to me and has given me some tools to do the hard things.”
Pastor Steven Boyd 
Pastor Brian Schley “I found value in our meetings and am grateful you invited me to be part of it as a ‘future senior pastor.’ I enjoyed being able to be part of the conversations and glean from those beyond me. Thanks for your leadership with the group and your heart for pastors!”
Pastor Brian Schley
Pastor Todd Sauve "It was a privilege to have been a part of a pastors group led by Brian Thorstad. It's always great to learn from other pastors, and someone needs to provide leadership to make that happen. I'm thankful that Brian was willing to do that, and to share from both his successes and failures in ministry. He's honest, humble, and cares about people."
Pastor Todd Sauve

Brian A. Thorstad

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