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What Can We Do About Our “Bad Pastor”?

April 28, 2026 By Brian Thorstad

“How good and pleasant it is when brothers live together in unity.” Psalm 133:1 This is my sixth post in six weeks on the subject of “bad pastors.”  I’m putting the term in quotation marks because we’re dealing with a subject which is – admittedly – highly subjective. A “bad pastor” is a pastor which […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Seriously Troubled Churches

Why Did Our Good God Send Us A Bad Pastor? (Part One)

March 24, 2026 By Brian Thorstad

I confess that no one has ever put it quite that bluntly as my title, but I’ve heard a number of softer versions of it over the years. It usually sounds something like this: “We prayed and worked through our pastor search process but the guy we got was not what we were looking for […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Pastoral Transitions, Seriously Troubled Churches

Why Did Our Good God Send Us A Bad Pastor? (Part Two)

April 1, 2026 By Brian Thorstad

One week ago, we began wrestling with this painful question. While I’ve seldom had it put to me as bluntly as my title, I’ve heard little speeches like the following, several times: “We prayed and worked through our pastor search process but the guy we got was not what we were looking for or expecting […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Pastoral Transitions, Seriously Troubled Churches

Why Did Our Good God Send Us A Bad Pastor? (Part Three)

April 9, 2026 By Brian Thorstad

I’ve heard my share of horror stories about bad pastors. Very few of them are as unfortunate as one I was involved in personally. Near the end of an interim pastorate, when we were just getting our pastoral search team organized, our church was approached directly by a young man who seemed like God’s special […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Pastoral Transitions, Seriously Troubled Churches

Give Your Pastor The Gift Of Reasonable Expectations

November 5, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

Pastor Appreciation Month is already behind us, but the “holiday season” is coming on fast.  Many church members gave their pastors a gift in October, even if it was just their well-wishes.  Others are thinking about what they might give their pastor for Christmas. If that’s you, this post is for you.  If you’re a […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Church Structure, Healthy Pastors, Seriously Troubled Churches

Before You Say “WE Do” – Twenty-Five Questions Churches Should Ask Prospective Pastors

September 16, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

A few weeks ago I wrote a post for prospective pastors called, “Before You Say I Do,” inspired by a premarital counseling program that I used in the past. I gave prospective pastors twenty-four questions to get answered before accepting a call to a church. Today’s version is for church boards and/or pastoral search committees. […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Pastoral Search Teams, Pastoral Transitions

“Our Pastor’s Gone; We Got Our Church Back!”

August 20, 2025 By Brian Thorstad

Television’s Art Linkletter used to say that “kids say the darndest things.”  He was right of course, but the same could be said of church members who are being interviewed by interim pastors, denominational leaders or consultants: “Church members say the darndest things!” The first time I heard this phrase I was gob smacked.  I […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Healthy Pastors, Interim Pastoring, Seriously Troubled Churches

The Revitalization Playbook: Make Good Use Of Membership

June 21, 2023 By Brian Thorstad

Wait a minute!  Don’t touch that dial!  “Membership” doesn’t have to be as unexciting as a new vaccine. I know that many churches don’t have an actual membership.  If that describes your congregation and this is a conviction for you, then it’s okay if you change the channel.  I’ll understand.  I’m not going to use […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Church Structure

Keeping The Band Together: Maintaining Unity As Your Church Grows

April 13, 2022 By Brian Thorstad

Would that every church leadership team would be faced with the challenges of significant church growth! A pastor who is dealing with that happy situation put this question to me: “I love the unity we have in our church right now.  How can we maintain it as we continue to grow?”  Again: wouldn’t it be […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Leadership

Keeping The Band Together: Maintaining Unity As Your Church Grows, Part Two

April 20, 2022 By Brian Thorstad

Sometimes our success can be our own undoing.  Oh-so-happy is the experience of the small, united church!  Such congregations tend to grow spontaneously: “Come and check out our wonderful little church!  I think you’ll love it.” And they do come, and they do love it, because we’re all looking for love, and this kind of […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Leadership

Keeping The Band Together: Maintaining Unity As Your Church Grows, Part Three

April 27, 2022 By Brian Thorstad

A wise, young pastor whose congregation is experiencing healthy growth put this question to me: “I love the unity we have in our church right now.  How can we maintain it as we continue to grow?”  Here are the answers I’ve shared so far: (Read the first full post here and the second post here.) […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Leadership

Seven Reasons Why Pastors Are Dropping Out

July 22, 2021 By Brian Thorstad

“As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus…”  F/I Timothy 1:3 “Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through a prophetic message when the body of elders laid their hands on you.”  I Timothy 4:14 You may have heard about the young man who told his mother that […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Healthy Pastors

Three Advantages Of Leading By Following

October 18, 2018 By Brian Thorstad

Our usual breakfast group of pastors was commiserating, again, about the highs and lows of trying to lead our churches.  At some point the older, wiser denominational leader who was a part of our group spoke up: “You guys need to get ahold of the concept of leading by following. Figure out how to lead […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Healthy Pastors, Leadership

The Importance Of Love In Leadership

April 5, 2018 By Brian Thorstad

In secular society, the words “leadership” and “love” are not usually found in the same sentence, unless someone is telling you that “they love to do leadership.”  But Christian leadership is different. It’s different in its purpose, as Christian leaders lead for the glory of God and the good of their followers. The servant leader […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Healthy Pastors, Leadership

When Majoring On The Majors Becomes A Major Problem

June 9, 2026 By Brian Thorstad

I’m a big believer in majoring on the majors. For a local church, majoring on the majors means loving God and people and faithful obedience to the Bible while we’re pursuing our one God-given mission of making disciples. For a denomination, majoring on the majors probably means helping its churches to be what I just […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Church Structure, Healthy Pastors, Leadership, Seriously Troubled Churches, Theology

Why Did Our Good God Send Us A Bad Pastor? (Part Four)

April 15, 2026 By Brian Thorstad

Here’s the last “bad pastor” horror story I’ll share for a while: Even before I completed the interim pastorate, Donna and I were beginning to have concerns about the new long-term pastor who had taken my place.  He had expressed anger with our church members for not hosting him as enthusiastically as he thought they […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Pastoral Transitions, Seriously Troubled Churches

Full Disclosure Vs. No Disclosure: How Much Should We Tell?

September 26, 2022 By Brian Thorstad

Here’s the scenario: Your church’s youth director has just resigned.  He was well-liked and seemed to be effective.  Most of the church has no idea what went on behind the scenes.  Only a few leaders know that there were character issues, accountability issues, communication issues, philosophy-of-ministry issues and eventually, personal issues between the senior pastor […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Pastoral Transitions, Seriously Troubled Churches

Full Disclosure Vs. No Disclosure: Part Two

October 4, 2022 By Brian Thorstad

Last week I wrote about the conundrum of what to tell a congregation when a staff member has resigned or been dismissed under less-than-ideal conditions. We explored the options of: Full disclosure – Telling a congregation the gory details of the departed staff member’s failures, or No disclosure – Saying nothing publicly about the departure, […]

Filed Under: Church Boards And Staffs, Church Health/Revitalization, Pastoral Transitions

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Pastor Josh Brown I wanted to send you an update. We are two years removed from your [comprehensive assessment] visit to us. Half the church is 18-30 years old. We are reaching a wide array of hurting people. The Lord has been kind to us! We have more ministry than we know what to do with. Thanks again for all you did for us!  We have a really great church!
Pastor Josh Brown
Pastor Darin Kirkman
I am so grateful to God for Brian, his ministry, and his friendship. As a result of his assessment and coaching, my church has experienced unmistakable, God-given renewal. We are increasingly living out our church's mission which is to love and glorify God by making disciples of Jesus Christ. This is clearly showing in terms of spiritual depth (i.e. more people are maturing as Christian disciples) and spiritual width (i.e. more people are becoming Christian disciples). Our communication is clearer, our structure is stronger, our leadership development process is better, our facility stewardship is more proactive, and our cultural mindset is now set on eagerly advancing the kingdom of God. I strongly recommend the Church Whisperer to you.

Pastor Darin Kirkman
Elder Jim I wanted to let you know that we have really made some huge changes in the last few months.  We are seeing new people every week and we had a leadership meeting with 23 in attendance. Pastor ______ is doing well and God is doing amazing things.  Thanks for your support, prayers and love for the church!
Elder Jim
A New Church-Goer ...thank you for your messages at [our church] over the past weeks.  I just started going to _____________ while you were there and hadn't been to church in decades.  Your messages kept me coming back...  Thank you for helping me find my way back to God.
A New Church-Goer
Pastor Trey Turner "Brian is an experienced and insightful investigator of church systems.  He has real skill in looking at and diagnosing some areas needing attention.  I benefited greatly from his insight.  As a result, our church is benefiting greatly.  The process Brian took us through gave it the encouragement it needed to begin coming out of the 2020 difficulties.  We will work on the insights Brian provided as a roadmap back to better health."
Pastor Trey Turner
Pastor Greg Lund I've appreciated so much Brian's very practical coaching as he's guided me and the leadership of our church as we've sought to become more effective for God's kingdom. His extensive experience in assisting churches navigate a variety of issues makes him highly qualified to help lead churches through congregational change.
Pastor Greg Lund
Pastor Bruce Jahnke
"Our church is extremely grateful for the insight, adaptability and wisdom Brian so graciously contributed to our needs as we transitioned.  Our pastor transition was from Father to Son, which is by definition, difficult.  Yet Brian was able to foresee issues, feelings and responses with high accuracy.  Brian is personable, yet can direct when he needs to help us be reasonable and vision-oriented."

Pastor Bruce Jahnke
Andy Shanholtz I had the privilege of co leading a pastor’s training group with Brian. Brian’s wealth of knowledge and practical experience was an asset to all of us. The interaction with the group and the relationships built was a great value. I highly recommend having Brian facilitate a group to provide invaluable resources and practical knowledge.
Andy Shanholtz
Pastor Jed Manders
Leadership development within cohorts and peer groups has become increasingly popular, and rightfully so. Being involved in Brian’s leadership training group allowed me the opportunity to work through challenges, develop strengths and learn from both reading and peer development.


Pastor Jed Manders
Pastor Mark Pitroff "I have been so privileged and encouraged to be ministered to by Brian Thorstad as I have served as an Interim Pastor here in central Wisconsin.  He has been such a help and encouragement to me and especially, to this church I have served - Faith Community Church of Waupaca.  His leadership in helping us develop the “Journey Wall” enabled us to look back on the church’s history, the high points as well as the difficulties faced, especially in recent years.   Brian has helped FCC recover from a very difficult time…  Brian was such an encouragement to us, especially in the early months of recovery and preparation."
Pastor Mark Pitroff
Pastor Dan Norman “I enjoyed getting to know the guys in the group [and] I appreciated the thought, mind and spiritual challenges presented… I found many things that I was able to immediately apply, and I am still developing next steps that much of the discussion and training of this class helped to build a foundation for. [The handouts on strategic planning] will continue to be helpful in trying to guide our church to being more intentional. This [was] exactly what I was looking for at exactly the time I needed it.”
Pastor Dan Norman
Pastor Steven Boyd  "This course showed me that I, as a solo pastor, have to do things that don’t come naturally to me and has given me some tools to do the hard things.”
Pastor Steven Boyd 
Pastor Brian Schley “I found value in our meetings and am grateful you invited me to be part of it as a ‘future senior pastor.’ I enjoyed being able to be part of the conversations and glean from those beyond me. Thanks for your leadership with the group and your heart for pastors!”
Pastor Brian Schley
Pastor Todd Sauve "It was a privilege to have been a part of a pastors group led by Brian Thorstad. It's always great to learn from other pastors, and someone needs to provide leadership to make that happen. I'm thankful that Brian was willing to do that, and to share from both his successes and failures in ministry. He's honest, humble, and cares about people."
Pastor Todd Sauve

Brian A. Thorstad

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